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Bible Talk => Eschatology => Topic started by: Arikel88 on December 19, 2022, 10:32:54 AM
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1.Matthew 24
2.The third temple built ?
3.What else in your opinion needs to happen so the end times comes ? The destruction of the throne of the devil ? The antichrist sitting on the throne in the most high. wether been the third temple or the seat of the pope ?
4.The seven bowls or the seven trumpets ?
5.The politica situation of of the war of God and Magog ( represented by Russia, China,India , and eastern countries vs the west Israel, USA, and Britain.
6. What else is needed to bring the end
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Nothing.
The only hitch in the timeframe is when the last human that completes the Bride of Christ is redeemed.
Then, the party starts.
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I have to disagree. Truly, really. I think the time before the end times needs to happen before the end times for the end times to happen. In fact, the time before the time before the end times also needs to happen for the end times to happen, because without the time before the time before the end times history wouldn't get to the end times.
In fact, while many people look towards some future eschatological period their end time happens in the meantime.
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I have to disagree. Truly, really. I think the time before the end times needs to happen before the end times for the end times to happen. In fact, the time before the time before the end times also needs to happen for the end times to happen, because without the time before the time before the end times history wouldn't get to the end times.
In fact, while many people look towards some future eschatological period their end time happens in the meantime.
But if I don't get the end of the end times to end at the right ending time, then I won't get my Eschatology merit badge and be able to look down my nose at the poor proles who don't get the end of the end times to end at the right ending time.
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I have to disagree. Truly, really. I think the time before the end times needs to happen before the end times for the end times to happen. In fact, the time before the time before the end times also needs to happen for the end times to happen, because without the time before the time before the end times history wouldn't get to the end times.
In fact, while many people look towards some future eschatological period their end time happens in the meantime.
But if I don't get the end of the end times to end at the right ending time, then I won't get my Eschatology merit badge and be able to look down my nose at the poor proles who don't get the end of the end times to end at the right ending time.
Nah all you get is the lame 'finished early' achievement and it's totally not unique or rare. Hrmph!
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1.Matthew 24
2.The third temple built ?
3.What else in your opinion needs to happen so the end times comes ? The destruction of the throne of the devil ? The antichrist sitting on the throne in the most high. wether been the third temple or the seat of the pope ?
4.The seven bowls or the seven trumpets ?
5.The politica situation of of the war of God and Magog ( represented by Russia, China,India , and eastern countries vs the west Israel, USA, and Britain.
6. What else is needed to bring the end
I think first, you must indicate a starting point for the 'end times' or the 'last days'. If you can determine that, then it will be much easier to answer your 6 points. In doing that one must consider the last days of who? The Church or Israel.
The 'end' in your #(6) reference will be determined by which group, Church or Israel, is being discussed.
Quantrill
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I think the time before the end times needs to happen before the end times for the end times to happen. In fact, the time before the time before the end times also needs to happen for the end times to happen, because without the time before the time before the end times history wouldn't get to the end times.
This is just...poetry. I love it.
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I have to disagree. Truly, really. I think the time before the end times needs to happen before the end times for the end times to happen.
In fact, the time before the time before the end times also needs to happen for the end times to happen, because without the time before the time before the end times history wouldn't get to the end times.
In fact, while many people look towards some future eschatological period their end time happens in the meantime.
If men look toward the future, history gets to the end times.
That is the end times, because the ending is the same as the beginning, as we were told. ( the flood of Noah.)
In that conclusion, the same as the flood came on people, ( the end time of the old world) nothing needed to occur to bring that destroying of the world of the ungodly.
Nothing needs to happen, and actually that is the point, it is when there is nothing...
Hebrews 11:7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
Psalm 92:5 O Lord, how great are thy works! and thy thoughts are very deep.
6 A brutish man knoweth not; neither doth a fool understand this.
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:
8 But thou, Lord, art most high for evermore.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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Growing up in Pentecostal churches i was taught rapture could happen any time .
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Growing up in Pentecostal churches i was taught rapture could happen any time .
And, breakfast isn't served in hell. Jesus freaks don't go to Hell, but impure girls do. Only pure girls and men who can keep a promise go to heaven. Both of whom should kiss dating goodbye because, you know, side hugs are the only holy option. Girls are only ever girls, and boys grow into men.
So pray to be included in the rapture, or stick around and watch some airplanes crash.
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And, breakfast isn't served in hell.
But I'm hungry.
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And, breakfast isn't served in hell.
But I'm hungry.
How about some deviled ham and deviled eggs? And for dessert, maybe a nice slice of devil's food cake.
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Ooh, well played.
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Growing up in Pentecostal churches i was taught rapture could happen any time .
And, breakfast isn't served in hell. Jesus freaks don't go to Hell, but impure girls do. Only pure girls and men who can keep a promise go to heaven. Both of whom should kiss dating goodbye because, you know, side hugs are the only holy option. Girls are only ever girls, and boys grow into men.
So pray to be included in the rapture, or stick around and watch some airplanes crash.
Do you really believe that God the Father would allow people to die when he raptures believers? He would then be labelled as a sloppy murderer.
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Growing up in Pentecostal churches i was taught rapture could happen any time .
Jesus said he would gather his believers after the tribulation of those days. Paul implied the same.
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Growing up in Pentecostal churches i was taught rapture could happen any time .
And, breakfast isn't served in hell. Jesus freaks don't go to Hell, but impure girls do. Only pure girls and men who can keep a promise go to heaven. Both of whom should kiss dating goodbye because, you know, side hugs are the only holy option. Girls are only ever girls, and boys grow into men.
So pray to be included in the rapture, or stick around and watch some airplanes crash.
Do you really believe that God the Father would allow people to die when he raptures believers? He would then be labelled as a sloppy murderer.
1. Breakfast in Hell, Newsboys
2. Jesus Freak, DC Talk
3. Impure girls, Christian youth group purity culture
4. Pure girls and men, Joshua Harris, "I kissed dating goodbye" and "Boy meets Girl: Say Hello to Courtship"
5. Kiss dating goodbye, Joshua Harris, again
6. Side hugs, Joshua Harris again, and youth group purity culture, again
7. "Girls are girls and boys are boys", Western social wisdom passed off as profound theological insight
8. Airplanes crashing, the opening scenes of the first "Left Behind" movie
I didn't share anything about what I believed. Everything I shared is what other people believe.
But since you asked, do I think God is going to rapture billions(?) and protect the world from the consequences of billions(?) of people disappearing? No. If you think that makes God a sloppy murderer, then that's something to work out with your theology.
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So pray to be included in the rapture, or stick around and watch some airplanes crash.
Sigh... an irksome remnant of one of the oddest and most exploited teachings of the televangelist era.
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1.Matthew 24
2.The third temple built ?
3.What else in your opinion needs to happen so the end times comes ? The destruction of the throne of the devil ? The antichrist sitting on the throne in the most high. wether been the third temple or the seat of the pope ?
4.The seven bowls or the seven trumpets ?
5.The politica situation of of the war of God and Magog ( represented by Russia, China,India , and eastern countries vs the west Israel, USA, and Britain.
6. What else is needed to bring the end
I think your list of items are very valid topics aligned with Bible Scripture of events of SIGNS of the end which Lord Jesus gave His faithful Church that listen to Him.
1. Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 are Christ's Olivet discourse. Christ's Sign of not one stone atop another I see as a type of 'dual fulfillment' prophecy. The destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. represented an initial fulfillment of that SIGN, but did not fulfill the whole of the prophecy, because there are still many HUGE stones atop one another there today at the Temple Mount.
And the continued list of Signs in Jesus' Olivet discourse that He gave after that follow the events of the Seals of Rev.6, all the way to the event of His future coming to gather His Church.
2. Some don't like that idea about the Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem planning to build their 3rd temple, but Bible prophecy for the 'end' requires it. Apostle Paul was pointing to a literal stone "temple of God" in 2 Thess.2, simply because Lord Jesus warned about the coming Antichrist (or false-Messiah) that will come at the 'end' to setup the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in it which Jesus quoted for the end in His Olivet discourse. The Daniel 9:27 and Dan.11:31 "abomination of desolation" event requires... a standing Jewish temple in Jerusalem to fulfill that prophecy for the 'end'. No way around it. And today's Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem already have the materials ready to build their 3rd temple.
3. The idea that a Catholic pope is the Antichrist is actually an old belief by the Protestant Reformers of the 15th-16th centuries in Europe. The early Protestants were persecuted by the Catholic Church then, and held war against them. The Reformers (Protestants) thus thought the Bible prophecy about the Antichrist was then coming true, and that the pope then was the coming Antichrist. That prophecy failed in their day; the pope was not... the Antichrist, and as also required by the Bible prophecy for the 'end', Jesus did NOT return back then to defeat the pope as the Antichrist.
Some denominations continue to hold to that old Reformer's belief about the Catholic Church and a pope. And because of the old pagan Roman empire, these same ones who keep pushing those old Reformer's ideas associate the Catholic Church with the ancient pagan Roman empire just because of it being in Rome, and because of some the Catholic Church's vain un-Biblical policies. Yet there are Protestant denominations that also contain vanity within them too; even Lord Jesus' 7 Messages of Rev.2 & 3 revealed five out seven Churches in Asia had problems within them. (And no, I am not a Catholic. I am a Protestant Christian. My French ancestors came to the Americas in the 1600's to flee Catholic persecution in France because they were French Huguenots, the first French Protestants.)
4. Jesus returns on 7, 7, 7. (7th Seal, 7th Trumpet, 7th Vial). Jesus gave ONLY 7 main SIGNS of the end in His Olivet discourse, which are the Seals of Revelation. His Book of Revelation simply divides the events of those same 7 Signs into 21 descriptions. Satan comes as the pseudo-Messiah on 6, 6, 6. And don't be fooled by the Rev.13 passage that says that 666 is a number of a 'man', as if it must be some flesh man, when God created even the angels with that image of man from His Own image per Genesis 1.
5. The Gog-Magog event of Ezekiel 38 & 39 is the battle of Armageddon on the last day of this world when Jesus comes to fight it with His army from Heaven. That will involve a final attack by Satan and his hosts leading the armies out of the northern quarters against the nation of Israel AND the western Christian nations.
The Gog-Magog battle when Satan and a great host of deceived nations come up against the "camp of the saints" after Christ's future 1,000 years reign, is a final future battle, and not the event of Ezekiel 38-39. The difference is 'where' the attack happens with the two Gog-Magog Scripture examples.
6. What else for the end? A time when the planned "one world government" will be fully established on earth, with a literal world peace for the wicked and deceived. It will then be easy to single out those who remain in Christ that will refuse to bow to the "image of the beast" that the false-Messiah will setup like Nebuchadnezzar did with the gold idol image, requiring all to bow in worship to it, or be killed. Those who remain in Christ that refuse to bow, or refuse the mark of the beast, will be turned in even by deceived loved ones. They will think the coming pseudo-Messiah will be Lord Jesus Himself having come, working those great signs and wonders Jesus warned us about.