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Bible Talk => Just Bible => Topic started by: BroRando on September 16, 2022, 09:18:19 PM
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A scripture that awaits to be seen in the light... (Matthew 28:19)
“Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given ME in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in MY Name, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”(Hebrew Matt 28:18-20)
"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in MY Name, " (Hebrew Matthew 28:19)
The Historian Eusebius of Caesarea (263-339), had extensive access to the Library that kept a copy of the original text of Matthew. Eusebius was also a Bishop whom quoted the Shem Tov Book of Matthew some seventeen times and all quotes of (Matthew 28:19) were quotes of one accord with no variations, (In My Name).
"In fact, Eusebius refers to this passage well over a dozen times in the same form as the above quotations. Now you must also be aware that this quotation by Eusebius is also earlier than our earliest manuscripts for this verse. Hence, it is quite possible that a corruption occurred around the time the Arian controversy broke out under Constantine's reign. The following quotation is particularly interesting:
For he did not enjoin them “to make disciples of all the nations” simply and without qualification, but with the essential addition “in his name”.
Scripture also says that by the authority of Jesus people would be told to turn to God and change the way they think and act so that their sins will be forgiven. This would be told to people from all nations, beginning in the city of Jerusalem. '...and on the basis of his name, repentance for forgiveness of sins would be preached in all the nations—starting out from Jerusalem.' (Luke 24:47)
When the Apostles approached the public in Jerusalem to give witness about Jesus, the Sanhedrin had them brought in for questioning, and a Pharisee named Gamaliel rose in the Sanhedrin and reasoned with them to be careful as to what you intend to do about these men. Do not meddle with these men, but let them alone. For if this scheme or this work is from men, it will be overthrown; but if it is from God, you will not be able to overthrow them. Otherwise, you may even be found fighters against God himself.” (Acts 5:33-39)
"At this they took his advice, and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, and ordered them to stop speaking on the basis of Jesus’ name, and let them go." (Acts 5:40) Notice the Apostles weren't speaking in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit but in Jesus' Name.
We also have this scripture which states, "For you were buried with him in his baptism, and by your relationship with him you were also raised up together through your faith in the powerful work of God, who raised him up from the dead." (Colossians 2:12)
Eusebius goes on to relate that "God bestowed on him the name above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee shall bow of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth." It was right therefore that he should emphasize the virtue of the power residing in his name but hidden from the many, and therefore say to his Apostles, "Go ye, and make disciples of all the nations in my name.’ (Demonstatio Evangelica, col. 240, p. 136)
So where did the current liturgy or formula found at Matthew 28:19 come from?
- Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” — Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83.
- A key tellable sign that this was 100% Catholic liturgy is that it read in the name "of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost"
However, between the years 315 and 325 CE the Hebrew Book of Matthew was shelved or in some manner hidden away or may have even been destroyed. "The Greek version used by Eusebius poured more widely these verses, but in no way changing the sense of the Hebrew text, because when he quotes in his Ecclesiastical History part of Matthew 28:19, he writes:
“Πηγαίνετε, κάντε μαθητές από όλα τα έθνη στο όνομά μου”
“Go, make disciples of all nations in my name.”
There is NOTHING in this scripture about baptizing in the Shem Tov Book of Matthew 28:19, but rather the making of disciples. Today, what is found of the Aramaic texts of Matthew 28:19, did not contain any form of baptism nor was the making of disciples found, but contained the simplistic command "Go". However, the verse “Go, make disciples of all nations in my name” was quoted dozen of times by several historians of the Hebrew Book of Matthew before its' official deletion and alteration took place on 325 CE at the Council of Nicaea.
Since there are other scriptures that point to what Name was to be invoked in baptizing new converts, it is evident that the Catholic dogma was inserted early and in it's infancy by design to lead the masses away from Jesus Christ. However, there is no need for dependence on outside sources when the Bible itself has been preserved. Allowing scripture to interpret scripture when it comes to Baptizing is the Best Method. Here's a short list...
- Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.” (Acts 2:38)
- “With that he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they requested him to stay for some days.” (Acts 10:48)
- “But when they believed Philip, who was declaring the good news of the Kingdom of God and of the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were getting baptized.” (Acts 8:12)
- “Or do you not know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (Romans 6:3)
- “On hearing this, they got baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 19:5)
- Catholic Catechism - “Into Christ. The Bible tells us that Christians were baptized into Christ (no. 6). They belong to Christ. The Acts of the Apostles (2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5) tells us of baptizing “in the name (person) of Jesus.” -- a better translation would be “into the name (person) of Jesus.” Only in the 4th Century did the formula "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” become customary.”
- The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: “The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”
Source: Kersten, J. C. (1973). Bible Catechism. NY., N.Y.: Catholic Book Publishing Co., p. 164
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You've provided biblical references where baptism is performed specifically in the name of Jesus Christ, suggesting a departure from the traditional trinitarian formula.
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The name of Jesus is not a magick formula
In the name of simply means by His authority.
All baptism does is get you wet except to demonstrate obedience and identity with Jesus.
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the Hebrew Book of Matthew
There is no evidence that any such book ever existed.
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"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in MY Name, " (Hebrew Matthew 28:19)
Which name is that?
It can't be "Jesus", because Hebrew of that time did not have a "J" sound.
Yehsua?
Yehoshua?
Yeshu?
Which name?
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the Hebrew Book of Matthew
There is no evidence that any such book ever existed.
Thank you. I was losing what little mind I thought I had left...
How are you, my friend?
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"Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations in MY Name, " (Hebrew Matthew 28:19)
Which name is that?
It can't be "Jesus", because Hebrew of that time did not have a "J" sound.
Yehsua?
Yehoshua?
Yeshu?
Which name?
John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt.
His name is my name too.
It's magic.
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How are you, my friend?
Carrying on. I trust you are well, professor?
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How are you, my friend?
Carrying on. I trust you are well, professor?
Very well, thanks.
We FINALLY (after trying for 10 years) convinced my mother in law (91 years young) to move in with us, so her house is sold, the move is completed, and she is all settled in with us, which is such an incredible blessing. She and Mrs. Knife are out working in the garden today...
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We FINALLY (after trying for 10 years) convinced my mother in law (91 years young) to move in with us, so her house is sold, the move is completed, and she is all settled in with us, which is such an incredible blessing. She and Mrs. Knife are out working in the garden today...
Wow, that is beautiful. God bless you and your family for taking your mom in, and may she live a long and healthy life under your roof.
We just lost a family friend who I was close with. Quite young and full of potential. Devout Catholic (nobody's perfect!)
So the whole "long life" thing seems like an extra special blessing.