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Other Categories => Testimonies => Topic started by: Watchman of Naphtali on November 05, 2023, 10:11:28 PM
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Having been diagnosed with a mental illness from an early age, I have clearly had struggles with the medication issue.
As I read through the entire Bible in the period of about a year, I came across the phrase "the high places" in holy scripture.
The biblical teaching on that is that the high places were situations where Israel worshiped gods other than YHWH and it became a stench in His nostrils.
At one point the Israelites continued to worship at the high places but worshiped only YHWH in those places.
In Job 25:2, we find that God makes peace with man in the high places.
So, I began to consider my medication to be like the high places in holy scripture.
Someone mentioned to me that we can have "hinds feet on high places" (Psalms 18:33).
Now, I always considered that I might be a descendant of Jacob because my mother hid from me a certain portion of my heritage and I believe that it was because she did not want me to be persecuted with the Jewish people.
I searched the Bible for what tribe I might be of; since there are certain promises given to each tribe in both Genesis and Deuteronomy.
But I did not find the reality of what my tribe might be until I ran across Judges 5:18...
Jdg 5:18, Zebulun and Naphtali were a people that jeoparded their lives unto the death in the high places of the field.
I consider that my spiritual life is always in danger because in my mental health treatment, I am forced to partake of "pharmakeia"; even to sow to the flesh on a consistent basis.
But I narrowed my tribe down to either Zebulun or Naphtali.
In Genesis 49:21,
Gen 49:21, Naphtali is a hind let loose: he giveth goodly words.
Because I know that I do, in fact, give goodly words, I believe that I have narrowed down my tribe to being that of Napthali.
I am a hind let loose.
I may not be free of having to take medicine for a mental illness;
But it is my prayer almost every night that God will transmute my medicine so that it is not pharmakeia; and that He will replace the medicine with the fact that by His Spirit, He has not given me the spirit of fear; but of power and of love and of a sound mind...even the mind of Christ and the mind of the Spirit...that He continues to transform me by the renewing of my mind...that He continues to guard and keep my heart and mind with His peace that passeth all understanding through faith in Jesus Christ...that I am fearfully and wonderfully made...so that if there is a defect or disease in my brain, He is able to heal it!
My prayer is that the Lord will give me a spirit and wisdom that none of my adversaries shall be able to gainsay nor resist.
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
It is written,
1Th 2:2, But even after that we had suffered before, and were shamefully entreated, as ye know, at Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the gospel of God with much contention.
and,
Jde 1:3, Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
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Why the assumption that you would be opposed by followers of Jesus on this forum?
If you are a true follower of Jesus, then that’s enough.
If you are not, then we pray for that reality.
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Why the assumption that you would be opposed by followers of Jesus on this forum?
If you are a true follower of Jesus, then that’s enough.
If you are not, then we pray for that reality.
Are you suggesting that I am not a true follower of Jesus?
Why would the suggestion that some who post here are not true followers of Jesus, therefore be offensive to you?
Do you presume that you can judge and not be judged?
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Do you presume that you can judge and not be judged?
Nobody here does any judging. Except perhaps you?
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Do you presume that you can judge and not be judged?
Nobody here does any judging. Except perhaps you?
Yes, I would say that I am righteous to judge the difference between right and wrong.
Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
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Yes, I would say that I am righteous to judge the difference between right and wrong.
Matthew 7: Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Also, (because why not?) Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbat, page 127b: “If one judges his fellow favorably, he will be judged favorably by the Omnipresent.”
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Yes, I would say that I am righteous to judge the difference between right and wrong.
Matthew 7: Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Also, (because why not?) Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Shabbat, page 127b: “If one judges his fellow favorably, he will be judged favorably by the Omnipresent.”
Okay, now read the verses that I quoted.
Judging between right and wrong is not forbidden and is even mandated by God.
In Matthew 7:1-5, Luke 6:41-42, Jesus is merely saying that we ought to expect to be judged if we are going to judge other people (pointing the finger).
Not that we ought to never make any judgments.
Judgment is a faculty of the human brain.
If we didn't have it, we would be like monkeys.
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In Matthew 7:1-5 Luke 6:41-42
In both Gospels, the message is really clear. "Don't judge other people, and that people who are judgmental tend to overlook their own flaws."
Worry about yourself first, before coming in here and telling other people what their flaws are.
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In Matthew 7:1-5 Luke 6:41-42
In both Gospels, the message is really clear. "Don't judge other people, and that people who are judgmental tend to overlook their own flaws."
Worry about yourself first, before coming in here and telling other people what their flaws are.
Where have I pointed out anyone else's flaws?
I think that my time here so far has been too short for me to have been able to do anything like that.
I condemn pointing the finger even as Jesus did;
but when it comes to judging the difference between right and wrong, I will say again that it is not forbidden and is even mandated by the Lord.
Did you read the verses that I quoted?
How is it that you disagree with them?
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Where have I pointed out anyone else's flaws?
You've been judgmental of others in this very discussion.
I condemn pointing the finger even as Jesus did;
Delusions of grandeur. Comparing yourself to Jesus now.
Did you read the verses that I quoted?
How is it that you disagree with them?
OK, so far as Is. 56 goes, you have to read it in the original Klingon. Hebrew, I mean Hebrew. What is says is "So says the Lord, Keep justice and practice righteousness, for My salvation is near to come, and My benevolence to be revealed. Fortunate is the man who will do this and the person who will hold fast to it, he who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it and guards his hand from doing any evil." This is talking about a person policing their own behavior and practicing doing what is right. It says nothing about passing judgement on other people.
John 7:24 has to be seen in the context of the previous verse.
If a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses will not be broken, why are you angry with Me for making the whole man well on the Sabbath? Stop judging by outward appearances, and start judging justly.
This is very close to the sentence I quoted form the Talmud. Jesus is saying to judge others favorably by seeing their actions in a positive light. So, the opposite of what you're saying it means.
The last verse you cite looks nothing like what you've posted.
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight...
Talking about love and insight, not about judging others.
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Where have I pointed out anyone else's flaws?
You've been judgmental of others in this very discussion.
I condemn pointing the finger even as Jesus did;
Delusions of grandeur. Comparing yourself to Jesus now.
And you are judging me to be some kind of insane lunatic. Of course we are supposed to compare ourselves to Jesus (1 Peter 2:21-25).
Did you read the verses that I quoted?
How is it that you disagree with them?
OK, so far as Is. 56 goes, you have to read it in the original Klingon. Hebrew, I mean Hebrew. What is says is "So says the Lord, Keep justice and practice righteousness, for My salvation is near to come, and My benevolence to be revealed. Fortunate is the man who will do this and the person who will hold fast to it, he who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it and guards his hand from doing any evil." This is talking about a person policing their own behavior and practicing doing what is right. It says nothing about passing judgement on other people.
John 7:24 has to be seen in the context of the previous verse.
If a boy can be circumcised on the Sabbath so that the law of Moses will not be broken, why are you angry with Me for making the whole man well on the Sabbath? Stop judging by outward appearances, and start judging justly.
This is very close to the sentence I quoted form the Talmud. Jesus is saying to judge others favorably by seeing their actions in a positive light. So, the opposite of what you're saying it means.
The last verse you cite looks nothing like what you've posted.
And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight...
Talking about love and insight, not about judging others.
I'm reading it in the kjv (hope this helps)
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
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I will say that I have been promoting having sound judgment (in knowing the difference between right and wrong and am not promoting the pointing of the finger).
You say that I have pointed the finger even in this thread. It shouldn't be too hard for you to use the quote feature or else copy and paste my statement.
Because I think that I can show that I was not pointing the finger in the post that you think I was doing so.
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And you are judging me to be some kind of insane lunatic.
I haven't judged you at all. I stated the obvious fact that you compared yourself to Jesus.
Which you yourself admit:
Of course we are supposed to compare ourselves to Jesus
And 1 Peter 2:21-25 doesn't say anything about comparing one's self to Jesus. It says to follow his example, specifically, "When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. " And I don't think you're following his example at all.
I'm reading it in the kjv (hope this helps)
Which doesn't change the fact that you're quoting verses out of context and torturing them in translation.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
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And you are judging me to be some kind of insane lunatic.
I haven't judged you at all. I stated the obvious fact that you compared yourself to Jesus.
Which you yourself admit:
Of course we are supposed to compare ourselves to Jesus
And 1 Peter 2:21-25 doesn't say anything about comparing one's self to Jesus. It says to follow his example, specifically, "When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. " And I don't think you're following his example at all.
I'm reading it in the kjv (hope this helps)
Which doesn't change the fact that you're quoting verses out of context and torturing them in translation.
May the Lord abundantly bless you with grace and mercy; and also give you extravagant foods to eat for the rest of your life.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
I'm going to begin with the concept that 1 John 4:4-6 is written specifically to me (as well as others; but certainly not excluding me).
And that I have an unction according to 1 John 2:20-21,27.
Now, I have changed my point of view at other times when I have been proven wrong with the testimony of scripture; and I have in that conformed my view to the testimony of scripture.
The meaning of this is two-fold:
1) my view is closer now to the testimony of scripture than what it was previously;
and,
2) if I have changed my point of view to fit scripture before, I will do it again if I am shown clearly from scripture that my point of view is incorrect.
However, statements like, "you are simply twisting scripture" is not going to cut it with me.
You need to show scripture that refutes what I am saying; and you also need to identify the statements whereby you think that I am twisting the scriptures.
Otherwise, you are merely complaining about my doctrine rather than attempting to bring me to a place of correction in love.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
I'm going to begin with the concept that 1 John 4:4-6 is written specifically to me (as well as others; but certainly not excluding me).
And that I have an unction according to 1 John 2:20-21,27.
Now, I have changed my point of view at other times when I have been proven wrong with the testimony of scripture; and I have in that conformed my view to the testimony of scripture.
The meaning of this is two-fold:
1) my view is closer now to the testimony of scripture than what it was previously;
and,
2) if I have changed my point of view to fit scripture before, I will do it again if I am shown clearly from scripture that my point of view is incorrect.
However, statements like, "you are simply twisting scripture" is not going to cut it with me.
You need to show scripture that refutes what I am saying; and you also need to identify the statements whereby you think that I am twisting the scriptures.
That's cool but like, what does that have to do with what I wrote?
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
I'm going to begin with the concept that 1 John 4:4-6 is written specifically to me (as well as others; but certainly not excluding me).
And that I have an unction according to 1 John 2:20-21,27.
Now, I have changed my point of view at other times when I have been proven wrong with the testimony of scripture; and I have in that conformed my view to the testimony of scripture.
The meaning of this is two-fold:
1) my view is closer now to the testimony of scripture than what it was previously;
and,
2) if I have changed my point of view to fit scripture before, I will do it again if I am shown clearly from scripture that my point of view is incorrect.
However, statements like, "you are simply twisting scripture" is not going to cut it with me.
You need to show scripture that refutes what I am saying; and you also need to identify the statements whereby you think that I am twisting the scriptures.
That's cool but like, what does that have to do with what I wrote?
You asked me a question and I answered it. (did you read the scriptures that I referenced?)
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
I'm going to begin with the concept that 1 John 4:4-6 is written specifically to me (as well as others; but certainly not excluding me).
And that I have an unction according to 1 John 2:20-21,27.
Now, I have changed my point of view at other times when I have been proven wrong with the testimony of scripture; and I have in that conformed my view to the testimony of scripture.
The meaning of this is two-fold:
1) my view is closer now to the testimony of scripture than what it was previously;
and,
2) if I have changed my point of view to fit scripture before, I will do it again if I am shown clearly from scripture that my point of view is incorrect.
However, statements like, "you are simply twisting scripture" is not going to cut it with me.
You need to show scripture that refutes what I am saying; and you also need to identify the statements whereby you think that I am twisting the scriptures.
That's cool but like, what does that have to do with what I wrote?
You asked me a question and I answered it. (did you read the scriptures that I referenced?)
You answered something, but it's not the question I asked, though you followed up with a very strong indication that you are indeed going to try to do the "teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing".
It just seems all very contentious for no reason.
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1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
I simply conceded the point because it was not necessary to my argument.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
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1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You see, I'm asking because despite all my stupidity and enormous struggle and self-pity and sin and whatever else, I still have that classic gift of discernment, and I'm wondering if you're worth the trouble given that I think it's pretty obvious you'll either leave or be invited to leave at which point you can pronounce your judgements or whatever.
Do you know, I actually like 1 Corinthians 2:15 - 16 better than v14:
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
See if you're going to use Scripture as a hammer, it's often more effective to claim to be the person with the Spirit than to simply try a one-verse theology accusing the other person of being the "natural man". I mean, the implication is there, but it's all a matter of emphasis when the point is to inflict rhetorical harm.
I'm glad you stayed away from v12 - 13. I mean, that would have really set the stage. I'm really not sure what else you expected with that citation. But hey, you know what? I set this line up just for you. I hope you don't take it.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
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1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You see, I'm asking because despite all my stupidity and enormous struggle and self-pity and sin and whatever else, I still have that classic gift of discernment, and I'm wondering if you're worth the trouble given that I think it's pretty obvious you'll either leave or be invited to leave at which point you can pronounce your judgements or whatever.
Do you know, I actually like 1 Corinthians 2:15 - 16 better than v14:
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
See if you're going to use Scripture as a hammer, it's often more effective to claim to be the person with the Spirit than to simply try a one-verse theology accusing the other person of being the "natural man". I mean, the implication is there, but it's all a matter of emphasis when the point is to inflict rhetorical harm.
I'm glad you stayed away from v12 - 13. I mean, that would have really set the stage. I'm really not sure what else you expected with that citation. But hey, you know what? I set this line up just for you. I hope you don't take it.
No, I was not accusing you of being the natural man; only substantiating my point that it is unbelievers who will have contention with the true gospel when it is preached.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
No, I never did wish it. I only expected it.
I would much prefer if people would simply agree with the truth from the getgo instead of going into "debate mode".
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
No, I never did wish it. I only expected it.
I would much prefer if people would simply agree with the truth from the getgo instead of going into "debate mode".
Oh boy, now the gaslighting.
Well, I'll tell you what: I'm going to go to bed, and we'll see how things go, and maybe I'll be surprised. Hopefully, but probably not.
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In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
No, I never did wish it. I only expected it.
I would much prefer if people would simply agree with the truth from the getgo instead of going into "debate mode".
Oh boy, now the gaslighting.
Well, I'll tell you what: I'm going to go to bed, and we'll see how things go, and maybe I'll be surprised. Hopefully, but probably not.
What is "gaslighting"?
If I am doing that then I apologize.
I really don't even know what it is.
Maybe you can educate me.
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I educated him by banning him.
If anyone is curious. It's because:
- He didn't come to discuss
- He came to teach the "true Gospel" of which he is a true Apostle
- He placed himself in a position of divine judgment and retribution against the forum
- And not only that, but eschatological judgement
- He exhibited a pattern of religious abuse
- He exhibited a pattern of psychological manipulation and abuse
And I am simply not interested.
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1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You see, I'm asking because despite all my stupidity and enormous struggle and self-pity and sin and whatever else, I still have that classic gift of discernment, and I'm wondering if you're worth the trouble given that I think it's pretty obvious you'll either leave or be invited to leave at which point you can pronounce your judgements or whatever.
Do you know, I actually like 1 Corinthians 2:15 - 16 better than v14:
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
See if you're going to use Scripture as a hammer, it's often more effective to claim to be the person with the Spirit than to simply try a one-verse theology accusing the other person of being the "natural man". I mean, the implication is there, but it's all a matter of emphasis when the point is to inflict rhetorical harm.
I'm glad you stayed away from v12 - 13. I mean, that would have really set the stage. I'm really not sure what else you expected with that citation. But hey, you know what? I set this line up just for you. I hope you don't take it.
No, I was not accusing you of being the natural man; only substantiating my point that it is unbelievers who will have contention with the true gospel when it is preached.
In a Christian forum and in the context how the discussion developed, how should it not understood it that way ?
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1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Ah, you come here, know nobody and yet after a few posts throw a text in the mix that spread your doubt on all the forum members if they are not spiritually discerned.
Yes?