Psalms 107:2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;

Please invite the former BibleForums members to join us. And anyone else for that matter!!!

Contact The Parson
+-

Author Topic: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday  (Read 4252 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Quantrill

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 37
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2023, 04:22:06 PM »
Remember:  Jews counted nights and days, with the calendar day starting at sundown.  When Jesus described his burial, he talked about being in the heart of the earth 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS.  So we went into the grave during daylight hours before the Passover started.

Jesus was crucified during the day on Thursday, the day of preparation for Passover.  "Day 1"  before 3 pm

He was in the tomb that night, the start of passover.  What we would call "Thursday night"  Night 1

The next day was Passover, a High Sabbath "  (Day 2)  Friday daylight hours, as we would call it.

That night until the next morning was Night 2 what we would call Friday night

The morning of the next day was Saturday daylight hours and the normal Sabbath  (Day 3)
That night, Saturday night, was actually the start of what the Jews would call the first day of the week, prior to sunrise (Night 3)

Woman came to the tomb early before daylight on Sunday morning.

Again, (Mark 15:42), the preparation day was the day before the Sabbath.  The day before the Sabbath was Friday.  The Sabbath was Saturday.  Jesus was crucified on Friday the day before the Sabbath.  That is set. 

Again, Jesus was raised the third day.  (Matt. 16:21) (Mark 8:31)  (Luke 9:22)

Again, the third day was the first day of the week, Sunday.  (Luke 24:1)

You say, 'when Jesus described his burial', are you talking about (Matt. 12:40)?   If so, how do you arrive at your conclusion that Jesus is talking just about His burial?  After all, Jesus never was 'buried'.  Never was 'in the earth'.

Quantrill





« Last Edit: February 13, 2023, 04:24:11 PM by Quantrill »

Quantrill

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 37
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2023, 03:45:48 AM »
It's interesting to me that the only reference to Jesus being in the 'heart of the earth' for three days and three nights is found in (Matt. 12:40).  All other references just speak of Jesus rising the third day, or, on the first day of the week. 

So, this single reference of the 'heart of the earth' must be defined by it's comparison to Jonah.  "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."  (Matt. 12:40)  (Jonah 1:17)

Note the similarity of Jonah and Christ's situation.   Both were facing the judgement of God.  Jonah for his own sin and Jesus for the sin of the world. 

After the sailors knew that Jonah was the reason for the storm, Jonah told them to cast him into the sea.  (Jonah 1:10-12)  But the men refused.  (Jonah 1:13)  So, why didn't Jonah just jump overboard?   Because their guilt must be associated with the cure.  The judgement was from God, but it must be, in order to pre-figure the same with Christ, be carried out by the hands of man.  And note the similarity of the men's refusal at first to do this with Jonah, and Pilate's desire to set Jesus free.  (John 19:12)

The phrase 'heart of the earth' doesn't just speak to the time when Jesus was crucified and entombed.  It speaks to the time when Jesus was given over to the governing authorities of the earth.  This would begin the night before when Jesus was in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Matt. 26:31,34) "...All ye shall be offended because of me this night...." (Matt. 26:45) "...and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."    And also, (1 Cor. 11:23) "...That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:"

Therefore, I believe the three days and nights in the 'heart of the earth', speak to the time when Jesus was arrested, crucified, buried, and ending when He rose on the third day. 

Quantrill








RabbiKnife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1205
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2023, 09:23:05 AM »
Remember:  Jews counted nights and days, with the calendar day starting at sundown.  When Jesus described his burial, he talked about being in the heart of the earth 3 DAYS and 3 NIGHTS.  So we went into the grave during daylight hours before the Passover started.

Jesus was crucified during the day on Thursday, the day of preparation for Passover.  "Day 1"  before 3 pm

He was in the tomb that night, the start of passover.  What we would call "Thursday night"  Night 1

The next day was Passover, a High Sabbath "  (Day 2)  Friday daylight hours, as we would call it.

That night until the next morning was Night 2 what we would call Friday night

The morning of the next day was Saturday daylight hours and the normal Sabbath  (Day 3)
That night, Saturday night, was actually the start of what the Jews would call the first day of the week, prior to sunrise (Night 3)

Woman came to the tomb early before daylight on Sunday morning.

Again, (Mark 15:42), the preparation day was the day before the Sabbath.  The day before the Sabbath was Friday.  The Sabbath was Saturday.  Jesus was crucified on Friday the day before the Sabbath.  That is set. 

Again, Jesus was raised the third day.  (Matt. 16:21) (Mark 8:31)  (Luke 9:22)

Again, the third day was the first day of the week, Sunday.  (Luke 24:1)

You say, 'when Jesus described his burial', are you talking about (Matt. 12:40)?   If so, how do you arrive at your conclusion that Jesus is talking just about His burial?  After all, Jesus never was 'buried'.  Never was 'in the earth'.

Quantrill

There were two Sabbaths that week.  14 Nissan was not the regular sabbath, it was a high sabbath, and started what we would call Thursday night.  Regular sabbath started at the close of Passover, starting on what we would call Friday night.

The Day of preparation started Wednesday night and ran until sundown on Thursday, when Passover started.

Jesus was certainly buried, and he called it "3 days and 3 nights", not 3 nights and 3 days.
Danger, Will Robinson.  You will be assimilated, confiscated, folded, mutilated, and spindled. Do not pass go.  Turn right on red. Third star to the right and full speed 'til morning.

Quantrill

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 37
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2023, 01:40:39 PM »

@RabbiKnife

Scripture indicates no such thing.  Whose 'we'?   

(Mark 15:42) is clear.  Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath.  The day before the Sabbath is Friday. 

Jesus was not buried in the earth.  He was entombed.  And, 'burial' is not even indicated when associated with the three days and nights in the heart of the earth.  (Matt. 12:40)

Quantrill






RabbiKnife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1205
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2023, 02:19:40 PM »
Passover is 14 Nissan.

14 Nissan that year was a THURSDAY starting at sundown.

Maybe you should start there.

What do you call it when you put someone in a tomb and seal it?  That's a burial, in the earth.

The 24 hour "day" before the regular weekly sabbath starts Thursday at sundown and concludes on Friday at sundown.

"Sabbath" is more than every Friday night.  Every high holiday, including Passover, was a sabbath, and it didn't always fall on the same day of the week as the regular sabbath.  So, the week Jesus died, there were two sabbaths.... 14 Nissan and 15 Nissan.
Danger, Will Robinson.  You will be assimilated, confiscated, folded, mutilated, and spindled. Do not pass go.  Turn right on red. Third star to the right and full speed 'til morning.

Quantrill

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 37
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2023, 06:02:00 PM »

@RabbiKnife

I don't need to start there.  I start at (Mark 15:42).  Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath.  The Sabbath is Saturday.  The day before is Friday.  Scripture is clear. 

You can call it a burial but Christ was entombed.  He was not buried in the earth.   But, again, the burial or entombment is not the focus of Jesus being three days and nights in the heart of the earth.  Burial or entombment is not even mentioned.  (Matt. 12:40)

Where is the Scripture that speaks of two Sabbaths the week Jesus died?   

And again, as to my question you didn't answer, who is 'we'?

Quantrill


Fenris

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1959
  • Jewish Space Laser
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2023, 06:57:06 PM »
Passover is 14 Nissan.
15. The sacrifice is brought on the 14th.

RabbiKnife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1205
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2023, 08:31:47 AM »
Thanks, my friend.
Danger, Will Robinson.  You will be assimilated, confiscated, folded, mutilated, and spindled. Do not pass go.  Turn right on red. Third star to the right and full speed 'til morning.

RabbiKnife

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1205
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2023, 06:41:08 AM »
1.  Scripture is true.
2.  Jesus says "three days and three nights" in the earth.
3.  If we aren't smart enough to figure it out, that's on us, not on Him.
4.  Jesus was not crucified on Friday afternoon and raised Sunday before sunrise.
Danger, Will Robinson.  You will be assimilated, confiscated, folded, mutilated, and spindled. Do not pass go.  Turn right on red. Third star to the right and full speed 'til morning.

EmethAlethia

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 6
    • View Profile
Re: Was Jesus Crucified on a Friday
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2024, 09:25:53 AM »
Does whether or not Jesus was three days and three nights in the tomb, just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, matter? The question is, what is the penalty for being a prophet of God and getting a prophesy wrong? Well, it's stoning to death for your sins. Does it matter if Jesus was a prophet of God, or a sinner who should be stoned to death for His sins? Well, if Jesus is a sinner, He needed to die for His own sins.

The good news... everyone knew He was in the tomb for a full three days and a full three nights, in bible times or all His detractors would have stated, "He was a false prophet and a sinner deserving to die for His sins." And they'd have been right. But this never happened. So, the question becomes, how do you get three days AND three nights out of: Died on Friday afternoon, in the tomb at dusk, out of the tomb before dawn on the first day of the week (Sunday)? The woman showed up at the tomb before dawn and He was already gone. The answer: You can't. Sorry, that's one, and a portion "nights", and 1 "day". Jesus was a false prophet who should have been stoned to death for His sins, and since He had to die for His own sins, He can't pay the penalty for anyone else's.

So what's the solution? For that day was a "High Day". The "Sabbath" Jesus died on was a High Sabbath. Passover, to be specific. What day of the week is Passover? Since it's based on moons and not on days of the week, it can fall on any day of the week. Interestingly, those who have gone back and studied the moon phases in the years anyone believes Jesus was crucified, has found that none of those Passovers could have fallen on a Friday. The moon phases never line up with any Fridays. Wednesdays' yes. A Tuesday, But no Friday. So, since no one called foul and stated Jesus was a false prophet because He got the length of time in the tomb wrong, and since most scholars agree on the approximate year of His death, and since twice in those years Passover fell on a Wednesday, let's try that one out.

We have Wednesday night. 1 Night, Thursday day, 1 Night and 1 day. We have Thursday Night, 2 nights and 1 day, we have Friday day, 2 Nights and 2 Days. We have Friday night. # nights and 2 days. We have Saturday day, 3 nights and 3 days. And interestingly enough, it says Jesus rose "Early on the first day of the week". But, since the Jews calculate days from dusk till dusk, Jesus rose Saturday night at dusk after 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb.

Thus, if you want to be accurate, we have "Good Wednesday" and "Easter Saturday". Or, Jesus was a false prophet and should have been stoned to death not crucified. Pick one.   

 

Recent Topics

Watcha doing? by tango
Yesterday at 05:06:37 PM

Israel, Hamas, etc by Fenris
May 15, 2024, 11:37:05 AM

The New Political Ethos by IMINXTC
May 07, 2024, 09:28:45 PM

Lemme see if I have this right by RabbiKnife
May 06, 2024, 02:55:48 PM

Who's Watching? by Fenris
May 05, 2024, 02:58:55 PM

who is this man? by Fenris
May 02, 2024, 08:51:19 PM

Bibleforums.NET by The Parson
April 25, 2024, 09:47:48 AM

How Do I Know God Exists? by Cloudwalker
April 20, 2024, 05:47:40 PM

The Battle For The Mind by Oscar_Kipling
April 18, 2024, 05:44:55 PM

Happy Bible Day (Simchat Torah) the value of God's WORD in our lives by Fenris
April 08, 2024, 11:55:55 AM

"The Rabbis" by tango
April 06, 2024, 04:45:25 PM

Chuck Schumer calls for Netanyahu to be replaced by RabbiKnife
April 05, 2024, 07:59:44 PM

Why Civilisations Die, and the survival of Judaism by Fenris
March 31, 2024, 04:44:30 PM

"Neurodivergent" by Athanasius
March 22, 2024, 08:01:00 PM

Antisemitism by Fenris
March 22, 2024, 05:15:59 PM

Fundamentalists, Charismatics, questions and answers by ProDeo
March 11, 2024, 04:30:53 PM

Tips for surviving horror movie situations by IMINXTC
March 11, 2024, 01:06:37 PM

Grizzly bear by tango
March 11, 2024, 10:44:23 AM

One day on the lake by Sojourner
March 07, 2024, 01:34:00 PM

Quotable Quotes by Sojourner
March 06, 2024, 05:19:28 PM

Powered by EzPortal
Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 
free website promotion

Free Web Submission