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« on: Today at 11:30:29 AM »
Joe Biden turning out to be a real piece of work.
He's offering Israel information on the location on Hamas leadership in Gaza, on the condition that Israeli troops leave Rafah.
This means that he has information on terrorist leadership that he's withholding from Israel, a US ally.
Imagine if in early 2002, the Mossad had information on the location of Osama Bin Laden. And they withheld that information from the US government, pending political considerations. The public would be aghast, and rightly so. But because it's Joe Biden, nobody cares.
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« on: May 06, 2024, 02:14:13 PM »
I understand your perspective. Thanks. It just isnt the ethic of the Gospel. And is completely separate from the role of civil government.
This is separate from the role of civil government. My grandmother passed away in 1974. I remember her as being a very sad person. Why was she sad? Because the Nazis murdered her entire family. She had 10 siblings, with spouses and children. One brother survived. Just one. Should she have forgiven? Turn the other cheek? Pray for the murderers of her entire family? The following prayer is said at Jewish services on Saturdays: May the All Merciful Father who dwells in the supernal heights, in His profound compassion, remember with mercy the pious, the upright and the perfect ones – the holy communities who gave their lives for the sanctification of the Divine Name. They were beloved and pleasant in their lives, and even in their death were not parted from Him; they were swifter than eagles and stronger than lions to carry out the will of their Maker and the desire of their Creator. May our God remember them with favor together with the other righteous of the world, and avenge the spilled blood of His servants, as is written in the Torah of Moses, the man of God: “O nations, sing the praises of His people, for He will avenge the blood of His servants, bring retribution upon His foes, and placate His land – His people. " And by Your servants the Prophets it is written as follows: “I will cleanse the nations of their wrongdoings, but for the shedding of Jewish blood I will not cleanse them; the Lord dwells in Zion.” And in the Holy Writings it is said: “Why should the nations say, “Where is their God?’’ Let there be known among the nations, before our eyes, the retribution of the spilled blood of Your servants. And it is said: “For the Avenger of bloodshed is mindful of them; he does not forget the cry of the downtrodden.” Further it is said: “He will render judgment upon the nations, and they will be filled with corpses. He will crush heads over a vast area, He will drink from the stream on the way; therefore Israel will hold its head high.”
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« on: May 06, 2024, 01:39:36 PM »
Actually, this is exactly what Jesus taught and what the apostles taught.
That's grace. I will reiterate my comment. This is a moral abomination.
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« on: May 06, 2024, 12:01:42 PM »
Complaining and asking for justice, salvation, restoration, healing etc. all okay, but vengeance is the domain of the Lord. Yes. We aren't supposed to take vengeance. I don't have a problem with asking God to do it. Jesus goes one step further - Matt chapter 5 Yes yes this is all very interesting. "Turn the other cheek" isn't a Jesus invention, it's in the book of Lamentations. But I still don't have a problem with someone asking God to take vengeance. The guy whose wife and daughters were murdered by terrorists should not be expected to forgive and pray for those terrorists. That is a moral abomination.
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« on: May 05, 2024, 03:40:40 PM »
The bold remains what it is, revenge, not our cup of tea.
Again ignoring the rest of the Psalm. It's not revenge.
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« on: May 05, 2024, 03:38:53 PM »
Like the Word you quoted says, vengeance is the domain of the Lord, not us
So it's not OK to ask?
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« on: May 05, 2024, 02:58:55 PM »
I think our mission as God fearing people is to behave in such a manner that makes people understand that one can live a Godly and fulfilling life. To lead by example, if you will.
Separate from that, my dad always told me to act as a Jewish emissary to the non-Jewish world. If someone was only to have one interaction with a Jewish person, make sure that it is a positive one. I haven't always lived up to that, but I have always tried.
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« on: May 05, 2024, 02:15:11 PM »
Ps 137:9 - Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
Okay to pray ?
Many Christians have this funny habit of taking a verse out of context and using it to try and prove something. Why not quote the entire Psalm? By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
How can we sing the songs of the Lord
while in a foreign land?
If I forget you, Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill.
May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.
Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.This isn't even a cry for vengeance. It's the cry of the dispossessed, the exiled, who saw the temple destroyed and their people subject to exile and murder. Are they allowed to express sad thoughts?
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« on: May 05, 2024, 02:04:39 PM »
Psalm 109 is a prayer to God, David praying for revenge.
And does not God promise vengeance? Deuteronomy 32: "...It is Mine to avenge; I will repay. "...The Lord will vindicate his people... Romans 12:19 "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord." I just read an article by a Jewish man in Israel whose wife and daughters were murdered in a terrorist attack. The terrorists walked up to the car they were in and riddled it with bullets. Inside the car was found a book of Psalms. Shattered glass held the book open to Psalm 109. What do you think? Is he allowed to ask God for vengeance for his murdered family?
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« on: May 02, 2024, 08:51:19 PM »
who is this man?
Ooo, I love a good mystery.
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« on: May 02, 2024, 08:49:07 PM »
How would you judge David's prayer in Psalm 109 (see the OP), as vengeance / revenge or as compensation? I mean, he includes innocent children.
He's not saying that he's going to do it, or that any earthly court is going to do it. He's leaving it to God. Mind you, he also hasn't named anyone specifically. So it could be viewed as a warning. "If you're wicked you will die early. And if that doesn't bother you, think of your children, left fatherless and wandering to beg for food..."
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« on: April 22, 2024, 01:11:49 PM »
wait, is this not OT thinking? An eye for an eye. It was allowed in the OT, the old covenant.
This verse requires context. Lev 24: Then the Lord said to Moses: “Take the blasphemer outside the camp. All those who heard him are to lay their hands on his head, and the entire assembly is to stone him. Say to the Israelites: ‘Anyone who curses their God will be held responsible; anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.
“‘Anyone who takes the life of a human being is to be put to death. Anyone who takes the life of someone’s animal must make restitution—life for life. Anyone who injures their neighbor is to be injured in the same manner: fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth. The one who has inflicted the injury must suffer the same injury. Whoever kills an animal must make restitution, but whoever kills a human being is to be put to death. You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the Lord your God.’”It's not an open order to go around taking revenge. It's an order for the courts. And not just that, the Talmud picks apart the concept. "What if someone with one eye poked out another person's eye? If you poke out that guy's eye he is blind, whereas his victim still has one eye." So it was understood to mean just compensation, not vengeance...
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« on: April 10, 2024, 10:57:31 AM »
The point, I believe, is that although Satan is a horrific tempter, he is not the ultimate cause of evil. That’s where so many in the church get it wrong.
The point is that each of us… we…. I …. The man in the mirror…I the ultimate source of evil by choice This is it right here. Blaming Satan for one's own bad choices is just a cop out. We all own our behavior.
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« on: April 09, 2024, 06:29:04 PM »
God doesn’t stop humans from sinning. But, Scripture does teach that with EVERY temptation God makes sure there is a way of escape. In other words, humans do not HAVE to succumb to temptation, but escape is sometimes difficult, painful, and requires effort. Believers sin, sadly, because just like non-believers, we like the way it makes us feel.
Genesis 4:7 "If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
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« on: April 08, 2024, 11:55:55 AM »
Really a shame the bible codes didn't warn of a massive terrorist attack on Simchat Torah.
They're only 100% accurate in predicting things that have either already happened, or things that the reader believes will happen.
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