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In General / Re: Watcha doing?
« on: May 12, 2024, 05:38:35 PM »

Learning my youngest grandson chess. He has talent.

Good for you.  But grammar lesson.  You don't "learn your grandson"  you TEACH your grandson.  He learns.

Yes Sir !

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In General / Re: Watcha doing?
« on: May 12, 2024, 05:35:18 PM »
Not any longer, doing computer chess programming is bad for your elo, you start to play like a computer while you are not  :)

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In General / Re: Watcha doing?
« on: May 11, 2024, 10:05:14 AM »


Learning my youngest grandson chess. He has talent.

I mean, anyone playing h4 to threaten any impending castling!

(And a new set?)

New set indeed, and if you look well the king and queen are wrongly placed, I let him...

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In General / Re: Watcha doing?
« on: May 11, 2024, 01:05:26 AM »


Learning my youngest grandson chess. He has talent.

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Just Bible / Re: Lemme see if I have this right
« on: May 05, 2024, 03:50:05 PM »
Like the Word you quoted says, vengeance is the domain of the Lord, not us
So it's not OK to ask?

Complaining and asking for justice, salvation, restoration, healing etc. all okay, but vengeance is the domain of the Lord.

Jesus goes one step further - Matt chapter 5

38  “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’
39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,  let him have your cloak as well.
41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
42  Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
43  “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45  so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

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Just Bible / Re: Lemme see if I have this right
« on: May 05, 2024, 03:16:54 PM »
Ps 137:9 - Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!

Okay to pray ?

Many Christians have this funny habit of taking a verse out of context and using it to try and prove something. Why not quote the entire Psalm?

By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
    when we remembered Zion.
There on the poplars
    we hung our harps,
for there our captors asked us for songs,
    our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
    they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

How can we sing the songs of the Lord
    while in a foreign land?
If I forget you, Jerusalem,
    may my right hand forget its skill.
May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
    if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
    my highest joy.

Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
    on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
    “tear it down to its foundations!”
Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
    happy is the one who repays you
    according to what you have done to us.
Happy is the one who seizes your infants
    and dashes them against the rocks.


This isn't even a cry for vengeance. It's the cry of the dispossessed, the exiled, who saw the temple destroyed and their people subject to exile and murder. Are they allowed to express sad thoughts?

The bold remains what it is, revenge, not our cup of tea.

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Just Bible / Re: Lemme see if I have this right
« on: May 05, 2024, 03:12:50 PM »
Psalm 109 is a prayer to God, David praying for revenge.

And does not God promise vengeance?


Deuteronomy 32: "...It is Mine to avenge; I will repay. "...The Lord will vindicate his people...

Romans 12:19 "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says the Lord."

I just read an article by a Jewish man in Israel whose wife and daughters were murdered in a terrorist attack. The terrorists walked up to the car they were in and riddled it with bullets. Inside the car was found a book of Psalms. Shattered glass held the book open to Psalm 109. What do you think? Is he allowed to ask God for vengeance for his murdered family?

Like the Word you quoted says, vengeance is the domain of the Lord, not us

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Controversial Issues / Re: The New Political Ethos
« on: May 03, 2024, 10:59:12 AM »
I always wondered why America despite 4 years of lies almost reelected Donald Trump, you guys are nuts  ;D

But then the Netherlands once was a very nice country, but last year the Dutch election was won convincingly by an extreme right party whom leader is convicted by the court for racism. He is now leading the negotiations to form a government with 3 other parties and probably the unthinkable will happen that he succeeds.

So we are close to be as nuts as you (and maybe we already passed you) and from now on I can not longer blame you  ;D, the speck has become the log.

Did you see the alternative to Trump? It feels like the scene at the end of the original Ghostbusters movie when the ghostbusters are invited to "choose the form of the destroyer".

No.

Quote
What is pretty sad is that a country of over 300,000,000 people apparently can't find any better candidates than the two we're offered.

Indeed. We are facing a similar problem here and we have about 16-18 parties.

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Just Bible / Re: Lemme see if I have this right
« on: May 03, 2024, 03:35:12 AM »
Psalm 109 is a prayer to God, David praying for revenge.

18 - You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD. [Lev 19:18]

It's unclear who the enemies were, his own people or foreign countries.

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Controversial Issues / Re: The New Political Ethos
« on: May 03, 2024, 02:52:08 AM »
"4 years of lies"... please explain.

Doesn't character count any longer?

Men like -

Kennedy
Carter
Reagan
Obama

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Controversial Issues / Re: The New Political Ethos
« on: April 30, 2024, 05:12:09 AM »
I always wondered why America despite 4 years of lies almost reelected Donald Trump, you guys are nuts  ;D

But then the Netherlands once was a very nice country, but last year the Dutch election was won convincingly by an extreme right party whom leader is convicted by the court for racism. He is now leading the negotiations to form a government with 3 other parties and probably the unthinkable will happen that he succeeds.

So we are close to be as nuts as you (and maybe we already passed you) and from now on I can not longer blame you  ;D, the speck has become the log.

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In General / Re: Watcha doing?
« on: April 27, 2024, 05:32:27 AM »
Okay. Bout time to start a thread or two, stir up some controversy or at least some jealous passions, if possible.
Working on it  8)

It's what I do best(?)

We will see...  :)

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In General / Re: Bibleforums.NET
« on: April 25, 2024, 03:56:51 AM »
While browsing the old forum I recognized old names long forgotten and of some I am pretty sure I had email contact in that time.

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In General / Re: Bibleforums.NET
« on: April 24, 2024, 03:40:26 AM »
Trying the wayback machine.


or - https://web.archive.org/web/20101020032149/http://bibleforums.org/forum.php

Maybe using the wayback machine we can contact old members.

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Just Bible / Re: Lemme see if I have this right
« on: April 22, 2024, 02:13:03 PM »
Thank you Fenris.

How would you judge David's prayer in Psalm 109 (see the OP), as vengeance / revenge or as compensation? I mean, he includes innocent children.

BTW, I heard this old Dutch classic of the 80's on my radio today, with a part of Psalm 19.


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