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General Category => In General => Topic started by: brodav9 on January 13, 2024, 02:40:04 PM
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In Acts 2:16 and Joel 2:28-32. Is this the last days we are in? All over the USA it appears that people are getting the Baptism with speaking in tongues. With signs following. Of coarse there will be false signs also according to Matt. 24.
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Is the USA mentioned in the Bible?
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In Acts 2:16 and Joel 2:28-32. Is this the last days we are in? All over the USA it appears that people are getting the Baptism with speaking in tongues. With signs following. Of coarse there will be false signs also according to Matt. 24.
According to Paul there is only one baptism so which one are making reference to?
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Is the USA mentioned in the Bible?
All over the place (jer-USA-lem).
:o
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Where is my dead fish?
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When did the moon turn to blood?
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Why did the moon turn to blood?
Who did the moon turn to blood?
What did the moon turn to blood?
Where did the moon turn to blood?
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Yes USA is in the Bible. In Isa. 34:2 God's indignation is upon all nations. At one time America only had a few states. it was still a nation. The word Bible is not in the Bible only on the covers. The word stupid in not in the bible but the word fool is. They mean the same thing.
In Acts 19:1-6 There we have a distinction between , John's baptism and the (one baptism) of Jesus with the Holy Spirit and tongues. the one of John was a one time witness that one received Christ. The one of Jesus one baptism--is a daily lifestyle.
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The land now called the USA did not have any states two thousand years ago.
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Yes USA is in the Bible. In Isa. 34:2 God's indignation is upon all nations. At one time America only had a few states. it was still a nation. The word Bible is not in the Bible only on the covers. The word stupid in not in the bible but the word fool is. They mean the same thing.
In Acts 19:1-6 There we have a distinction between , John's baptism and the (one baptism) of Jesus with the Holy Spirit and tongues. the one of John was a one time witness that one received Christ. The one of Jesus one baptism--is a daily lifestyle.
The landmass isn't the nation. I take it the USA isn't mentioned, then?
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Peter says Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; But this is is not a futurist statement.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
My statement does not disagree with yours... The Spirit poured out in Peters day is the same Spirit we are blessed with today.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
When Peter said "but this is..." he was talking in the present tense. It's happening, right here, right now, in front of you. It's no longer something that will happen at some point in the future.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
When Peter said "but this is..." he was talking in the present tense. It's happening, right here, right now, in front of you. It's no longer something that will happen at some point in the future.
Do you believe God has removed the Holy Spirit from earth?
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I am only being helpful, not debating.
here are 3 passages. 1. in 2Cor. 1:22 the word for receiving the Holy Spirit is called sealed, that was the church then. 2. In Eph. 4:30 we wouldn't be able to say redemption is that sealing because this is after the cross. That means sealing is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. not redemption as salvation. yes redemption also cannot be said there because no one lived long enough to wait for redemption, so it has to be throughout many years for all people.
3. Revelations 7:4 the 144,000 Jews will be sealed with the Spirit. That is a future sealing so the Holy Spirit never stopped being poured out from Pentecost till now and then Rev. 7 to the future.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
When Peter said "but this is..." he was talking in the present tense. It's happening, right here, right now, in front of you. It's no longer something that will happen at some point in the future.
Do you believe God has removed the Holy Spirit from earth?
Not at all.
When Joel spoke he was referring to some unknown time in the future. When Peter spoke he was saying "that time is now". There's no need for it to end at any given time.
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But this is is not a futurist statement.
I am wondering if you can elaborate about this conclusion that you state?
My reason for asking. The Acts verse is concerning Joel 2:28-32. Which, based on those (prophetic) verses, encompasses a time period from when the Holy Spirit is poured out (v28-29) upon the earth (all mankind) and all throughout the (or this) age where people are redeemed (saved) through believing, by faith (v32 - whoever calls on the name of the Lord), in Christ.
My statement does not disagree with yours... The Spirit poured out in Peters day is the same Spirit we are blessed with today.
OK.
I just read to deeply into that specific conclusion, which I had related to the OP's position concerning signs/wonders "following" believers, once the outpouring of the Holy Spirit had begun and still continues.
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1. in 2Cor. 1:22 the word for receiving the Holy Spirit is called sealed, that was the church then.
By "time-lining" the church as "then," are you attempting to say the growing Body of Christ (the Church) at that period of time, is not the Body of Christ (the Church) still growing today?
In Eph. 4:30 we wouldn't be able to say redemption is that sealing because this is after the cross. That means sealing is the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. not redemption as salvation. yes redemption also cannot be said there because no one lived long enough to wait for redemption, so it has to be throughout many years for all people.
Is there a chance you're confusing "sanctification" with "reconciliation/redemption (even justification)?"
The moment a person believes, they receive the Holy Spirit (sealed) and are thus, reconciled. Another term is redeemed/redemption, justified/justification, meaning in common Christianese, to be born-again (saved).
Your statement (the bolded part) is backwards because after the Cross, all who believe receive redemption (salvation), when they believe unto Christ. Being sealed by the Holy Spirit is just one of the promised evidences of our redemption (are saved), when by faith, we believe.